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    AFI interview in Metal Hammer

    The latest issue of Metal Hammer has a great interview with Davey and Jade. I'm afraid I don't have a scanner so forgive the occasional typos while I type it all up for you! Warning: Mentions Javey and contains snippets of fanfiction which is a bit um... um, but I found it funny anyway...

    (ps this is gonna take ages so you'd better be grateful!) Done in two parts as it's kinda long.


    "Davey... I have fallen completely in love with you," he whispered. I gasped softly, a feeling of pure elation inside of me. "I know I have... I love you, Jade," I said, kissing him gently.
    "I love you too... so much," he whispered, kissing me back. How could I not love him? He was the one who opened my eyes, who gave me the will to be who I was. He was protective of me, beautiful, and everything I could have ever asked for. My life had been filled with so much pain, so much anger. I loved him so much. Although I was still afraid of everything, everything seemed perfect there in his arms.


    Um. How aware of the whole 'Javey' thing are you?
    "Javey? Oh the FANFICTION!!" Davey Havok, who for much of the past 40 minutes has been sitting quietly, suddenly leaps into life. "Yeah! I haven't seen the Javey ones, have you?"
    "I've actually seen a couple of pictures," Jade Puget, Davey's songwriting partner, mumbles shyly. "People send me them..."
    Here's one of you being penetrated lovingly by your bass player, Hunter, look.
    "WHOOOAH!!" Davey's eyes widen and his mouth drops open.
    "Hunter's so big," mumbles Jade. "Hunter's pretty much bigger than me. He looks like a giant."
    "That's great! Can I have this?" Davey holds the print up, and grins broadly. Actually, you might not like this one so much...
    "Let me see! WOOOOW!!! Wait - am I getting fucked? Oh, that's me. Who's fucking me?"
    It's your lifeless body tied up with fishing wire, being anally raped. It's not actually your best angle.
    "Ah, I'm dismembered!"
    "You kinda look like a mummy," mumbles Jade.
    "Yeah, I do," says Davey. He then adds a quiet but emphatic, "wow."

    We're sitting in the foyer of a London hotel to discuss AFI's seventh album, the recent 'Decemberunderground'. Davey and Jade sit side-by-side, sipping Starbucks coffee, smartly dressed in black shirts and ties and bearing only minimal applications of eyeliner and mascara. At 11.30 in the morning they don't seem massively phased by the sight of gruesomely explicit fan art - what AFI's internet fans have codenamed 'Javey' - depicting the two of them angaged in myriad sexual activities. Although the sketch of a dead Davey Havok, jeans yanked down, his comically huge flaccid cock knocking against his knees as he's taken from behind, raises a few concerned eyebrows.

    It took AFI three years to concoct the follow-up to their 2003 gold-selling album 'Sing the Sorrow'. A lot has happened in that time. In AFI-time, a year was spent touring, a year was spent with just Davey and Jade locked away, writing what became over 100 new AFI songs, and a year was spent in the studio refining the final 12 songs to perfection. In the outside world, bands came and went, scenes fluttered up and then, just as quickly, evaporated.

    The people that remembered AFI wondered what they were doing and, frustrated by the lack of information on the Californian band, made up their own stories. Obsessive internet communities sprang up, devoted to keep the 'fire inside' burning. Instrumental in this, was the establishment of the AFI fan club, the Despair Faction, who appear on 'Decemberunderground' - stomping, clapping and shouting like (let's face it) jackbooted Nazis.

    Davey Havok talked of making a 'cold' album, revealing in a press release how "December... is a time and a place. It is where the cold can huddle together in darkness and isolation."

    It's a slightly excruciating turn of phrase and a bit of a nebulous mission statement for a band returning to the fray after three years.
    "There was no plan for this record," admits Jade. "We've always been an unfocused band in a good way. In that we play a lot of styles." He pauses. "You know, since we're not a punk band, or a hardcore band."
    So, for the record, you're not a punk band?
    "I don't think so," states Davey.
    "It probably wouldn't be accurate to say that we were," considers JAde. "But there are a couple of songs on our new record that are fast and aggressive."

    It's true, for better or worse, there isn't a shred of the 15-year-old AFI of 1991 - the cult brat-punk band who squealed 'I Wanna Get A Mohawk (But Mom Won't Let Me)' - anywhere in the major label act who crafted 'Decemberunderground'. Jaunty comeback single 'Miss Murder' may dwell on suicide, but it's wrapped up in a catchy made-for-FM stomp that resembles the Killers at their most anthemic. The rest of the album is elegant despair-loaded pop-cum-metal-cum-popular-punk.

    Do you think much has changed in the three years that you've been away?
    "The market forces of rock music have driven it to be more commodified," Jade states. "Punk and hardcore is turning into that emo pop-punk sound. Everything's becoming more homogenised."
    Are you aware that in the three years you've been away, a number of bands have emerged who have done quite well out of AFI not being around?
    Davey Havok grins. "All the people I looked like never yelled at me," he offers, a little mystically. "Some of them became friends and were really nice to me."
    Still, a 15-year-old rock fan who has gotten into music in the past year will know more about Aiden or MCR than AFI. Does that bother you?
    Jade shrugs. "We certainly don't want some kid to be like, 'Why are you guys trying to look like My Chemical Romance?' That would be ridiculous! But we did go away for three years. What you gonna do?"
    Was changing your sound an attempt to disassociate yourselves from those bands? This is definitely the poppiest album AFI have ever made.
    "We've done fast and aggressive for years," his guitarist explains. "We could write another fast song with screaming, but how many of those can we write?"

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    "You're the most beautiful person I have ever seen. I love you, Davey," he told me. I smiled widely at him, feeling my heart rise with elation.
    "Thank you so much, Jade... for everything. I love you with everything in me," I whispered, feeling my throat tighten."


    In terms of online presence, AFI fans must be the most dedicated bunch in the world. Although battle lines are drawn between the 'official' Despair Faction audience and fringe elements such as those who post fanfiction stories to afislash.com, there does appear to be a genuine sense of community around the band.

    "For the people who can relate to the themes and sentiment that are running through the record," Havok explains, "I would hope that it does provide some feeling of comfort and some sense that there are other people out there. They can find some kind of community in their detachment from the majority of people and the majority of perspectives."
    As a member of AFI, do you think of yourself as being different?
    "Yes." The frontman states emphatically. He laughs as if the notion that he isn't is absurd. "Yes. Yes, I do."
    Is this a straight-edge thing?
    "Simply being straight-edge alone separates you hugely from a culture whose recreation is focused on drug use. And because I don't find that appealing, that alone separates me from a lot of what's going on."
    "Davey gets a lot of letters saying 'Your music saved me...'" Jade says. "Even though these songs are sad, you identify with that and it's a catharsis. It helps you deal with things in your own life."

    "God... you're so beautiful," I whispered. Davey looked up at me and opened his mouth, ready to speak.
    "Jade... is this the last..."
    "No. Don't talk of that. Just... let me hold you," I whispered, burying my face in his neck.


    How do you feel reading the Javey stuff, given that you two have been best friends for 15 years?
    "It made me feel kinda dirty," Davey grins, squirming slightly. "It was very explicit. It was kind of eerie and unsettling because they base these stories on real events, and they name friends of ours who are not in the public eye and take things that actually happened in my private life and expand upon them."

    The majority of the (literally) hundreds of AFI fanfiction stories on the net are set during the band's adolescence. Typically, they feature variations on the 15-year-old Davey and Jade's school life, exorcising self-hate and repressed homosexuality through self-harm and/or eating disorders - the two of them then finding each other and ultimately bonding over that self-abuse in a homo-erotic manner. Some of the more deviant stories include rape, murder, necrophilia and even one where Davey incites Jade to sexually abuse Smith - his younger brother, and AFI's tour manager.

    "Why is it all gay?" Jade laughs. "Maybe it's some creepy old paedophile who's doing this."
    What do you think it is that people are getting from your music - and you as people - to be coming up with this stuff? No other band's fans are doing this.
    "I don't know. For years there's always been rumours about us. Maybe people just heard too many rumours and took to writing disturbing fanfiction."
    Rumours regarding Davey and Jade's sexuality have raged, unconfirmed but undenied, for years.

    Davey, does it bother you that when you're playing live, people will be watching you and expecting that after the gig your guitar player will be giving you a stress-relieving blowjob backstage?
    "No!" he exclaims, seeming to splutter. As if he had something in his mouth. "I mean, who cares?!"
    Jade, when was the last time you saw Davey naked?
    "What direction is this interview taking?!"
    Davey himself seems unperturbed, though.
    "We change together!" he says. "We're in a band. It's like being in a sports team! We're constantly naked."

    What is interesting though, is that none of these internet posts are in any way homophobic. Actually, it seems that this is the place where AFI fans explore issues of sexual health and mental well-being.
    "That's a good point," agrees Davey. "It is that kind of community. That's very positive because a lot of people struggle with those kind of things. I don't like the killing and dismemberment but they could have us doing something truly horrible..."
    "They could have us eating meat!" pipes up Jade.
    "Yeah! Eating meat and drinking beer!" laughs the charismatic frontman. "Then I'd be pissed off!"

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    Hahahaha, amazing. I need that issue, hilarious interview.

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    haha, great, I love it so much, thank you. PEOPLE ARE CREEPY by the way, jeez.

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    Did they credit those fanfiction inserts, or did the interviewer drum it up himself?

    Good ending.

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    great interview! thanks!

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    Thank you for taking the time to type all that up. I havn't seen that topic - based interview before. I may actually go out and buy the magazine.

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    wow, that is crazy....and yes, very creepy indeed....

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    That interviewer needs to write for a tabloid not Metal Hammer. Talk about the damn music.

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    I second that.

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